5th wheel
Posted by Vaughn at 2010-03-01 09:36:42
Howdy
Not sure how to explain what I have in mind here but here it goes. I bought an old wagon and the 5th wheal parts are junk so I have in mind to take a stub axel from an old mower conditioner I have and mount it vertically to the front axel and use it as the 5th wheel pivot. The axel should be stout enough it carried around the mower conditioner all those years. Has any one tried this and how was the out come?
Response by chris at 2010-03-02 07:10:47
and what is the end result you are trying to achieve?
Response by Vaughn at 2010-03-02 08:15:07
Replace the worn out 5th wheel with this stub axel.
Using it as the 5th wheel pivot point.
Response by Neal in Iowa at 2010-03-02 09:39:55
Vaughn,
I have seen this done. The axle was welded to a steel plate that bolted to the wagon. Then a tire rim was welded to the axle and the rim then bolted to the hub. The rim would then just skim the plate to provide support all the way around. The rear axle would need to provide the flex for un-even ground.
Neal
Response by Dale Wagner at 2010-03-02 09:45:19
It will work but a cup and saucer would work better.
Response by fred in tn at 2010-03-02 14:05:04
used 3500# TRAILER hub and stub axle and it worked well
Response by Dale Wagner at 2010-03-03 10:50:20
Do any of you know what a cup and saucer is? It is what is used on the west coast logging trailers. It is basically just a piece of plate that has a circle cut out of it at 80% of the Diameter of the original size and another circle at 20% cut out of it. The "doughnut" shape fastens to axle and the rest to bolster. A bolt keeps this from jumping out of place. So you are wearing on a larger diameter than just a bolt. Much cheaper to build than wasting a hub and it gives so flexability.
Response by LC at 2010-03-03 16:38:32
CUP AND SAUCER: A system of two lubricated plates. The lower plate or saucer sits on the chassis of a TRUCK behind the CAB or on a TRAILER. The cup sits on the saucer with lots of grease between so it will turn freely
My team wagon was made similar to what Dale Wagner is describing. I didn't build this wagon myself but I have taken a couple of pictures of it. It is very simple but be careful and don't put too much grease or the tongue may tend to wiggle (causing your wagon to wiggle) when going down a rough dirt road.
This is a front view of the wagon
This is a rear view of the wagon front end.
Response by LC at 2010-03-03 17:31:26
The pic's I sent earlier are not very big. This is my first time to post pic's. If anyone is interested I can send them the original pic's which can be zoomed in for a better look. Just send me your email address.
Response by Mooney Ranch at 2010-03-06 22:35:00
L.C., send me the pics please. mooneyranch@bellsouth.net
Response by Dale Wagner at 2010-03-08 13:23:46
I could maybe take some pics of one I made. I had a sheep camp built with the cup and saucer and I built a trailer to pull behind my pickup. I'd have to send the pics to Uncle Joe along with the explanation.
Just remembered my scanner quit so would not be able to include pics of the finished product but just of the trailer after I rebuilt it to haul hay with today.
Response by Uncle Joe at 2010-03-08 15:44:54
Dale: Send them to and I will send them up.
Joe
Response by Dale Wagner at 2010-03-09 18:23:49
Cup and Saucer Photos Uploaded
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